is that a different obama or is this just a politically clever obama? >> ah, he came in and met with the house republicans. i take him for his word. he spent an hour-plus talking this through. i think his chief of staff is reaching out more, trying to do more. but when you get to tough issues like immigration and how to fix obamacare, it's totally broken and other issue, i don't see the president engageing with rank and file people in the house and senate. i don't see him using the way to the white house. peggy noonan in a new york times article, she nailed it on the head, the president doesn't know and have the inclination on how to use the power of the president. >> chip, who are you for right now regarding 2016? >> we got a lot of candidates. i hope my former boss governor mike huckabee would consider rung again. i think he's exactly what the party needs. he's a wonderful communicator. >> he's a great man. he's making too much money as a tv and radio personality, chip. >> well, that's what, i hope he knows for the greater good of this country he shou